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RESULTS: Fontana 300 @ Auto Club (Race 2 of 16)

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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:46 am

Results from the Fontana 300 @ Auto Club (Race 2 of 16)

FIN
ST
CAR
DRIVER
MAKE
SPONSOR
PTS/BNS
LAPS
STATUS
1
2
:phenom40:
[KEY] Fastman65
Chevrolet
StopRepairBills.com
60/5
120
Running
2
5
:phenom88:
[JMS] Raptor
Chevrolet
GoDaddy.com
52/0
120
Running
3
1
:phenom29:
[RCR] DerekE
Chevrolet
Holiday Inn
47/0
120
Running
4
4
:phenom80:
[JMS] Scorpio
Chevrolet
Hendrickcars.com
42/0
120
Running
5
3
:phenom15:
[GER] Jurgen
Toyota
Pilot Travel Centers
37/0
120
Running
6
7
:phenom12:
[PEN] Kooler
Dodge
Verizon Wireless
33/0
119
Fuel Out
7
6
:phenom1:
[PHX] DOC
Chevrolet
Miccosukee Resort & Gaming
29/5
119
Accident

BONUS POINTS:
Lap 1 Leader: Fastman65 (+5)
Halfway Leader: DOC (+5)


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Post by Burn Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:05 am

Congrats fastman!
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:53 am

Hey, just to let you know everyone stacked up and I wasn't exactly sure if we were going to go so I gunned it thinking that DerekE was going to go, I can't belive I wouldn't even be placed 3rd, what the hell!
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:14 pm

you do understand people were to the left of me and dereke had a slow rs and 1st placer went so i mashed it down like a real racer!

if a car got a slow rs in real life the other car can pass, like in 08 vegas when jr spun the tires, this concludes that dereke spun his tires allowing me not to wreck but to pass on the outside. Understand?

But I should retain a 3rd place finish anyway cause if dereke would had a good rs then i would have eneded up 3rd.

This is really pissing me off because of this...
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:36 pm

RESULTS: Fontana 300 @ Auto Club (Race 2 of 16) Dumb_r11
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:38 pm

This is what happens when you get stacked up, cars are everywhere
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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:41 pm

I realize DOC should have been behind, so I'll scratch him from the situation. Overall Raptor, your argument is good, I realize DerekE was slow.....however, its still VERY borderline the way you passed DerekE early. It appears you gassed it early and never attempted to reduce your speed in apology. He was slow but you still jumped the gun.

And I'll dock Kooler's points for leading the restart. I had overlooked it since he ran out of fuel.


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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:44 pm

I was planning to get a run, but i thought he would have some anticipation and get one too, but he didn't and I guess his slowness Laughing was my mistake, but could I retain second and you just doc me points for 5th
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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:48 pm

If you deserve 5th place points, the rank will be 5th. I'm simulating the same penalty given for Regan Smith. Pull a disallowed move at the end, get ranked last car on the lead lap.

At first I was thinking dead last due to all cars still running there at the moment you jumped, but that would have been way way too cruel and wrong.


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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:51 pm

Great, now i have to take one top 3 away and change my avg finish, this blows
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Post by Scorpio Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:51 pm

by the way....raptors pass was on the outside..so it IS legal so why penalize a LEGAL move, as in the rules. if you stack the feild BE PREPARED to be passed on the OUTSIDE, so raptor was on the outside LEGALIZING the move Wink ty


to make the rule more clear..... PASSING IS ALLOWED ON THE *OUTSIDE* ANYTIME AFTER THE GREEN FLAG IS SHOWN...or in our case when the leader goes...

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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:10 pm

Hmm... This is going to be a hard judgment call, Burnout what do you think?
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Post by DerekE Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:12 pm

Well if everyone weren't so frickin pissed off we probably wouldve restarted normally. I'm sorry I started slow, I got extremely confused at why everyone jumped the start so bad..
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:17 pm

Idk, I was going to get a run in the first place but I really thought you were going to get a run too, doc went low and I had no idea what he was doing and I think thats what cause this all.

If I wasn't focused on doc I could have saved my self from keeping all my momentum passing DerekE, I am sorry I tried to get a good rs, so np.
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Post by DerekE Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:22 pm

I agree, I think it was DOC... I'll need to check the replay.
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Post by Lexx Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:10 pm

I wasn't there, but the screen is clear enough.

Raptor should not be penalized because of that.
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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:56 pm

Well I saw this incident from my perspective before Raptor provided his insight. When he said Derek didn't get up to speed, I see that now....well upon speaking to Derek, I am overturning that penalty due to my mistake. Sorry for any mistake on my part, I thought I saw what I did, but it helps sometimes to view it from a different perspective... Raptor gets 2nd, results/standings will be fixed up here.
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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:06 pm

Please don't modify a table of mine once its done unless you remember how to get the format to stay like the way I do it. Its very time consuming to fix this.
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Post by Raptor Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:52 pm

Thanks, Burnout... I wasn't sure that it was going to turnout this way, it was a hard judgment call, sorry for the trouble guys, no hard feelings.
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Post by Burn Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:51 pm

Just to put in my input. Have we made it a rule that jumping the restart higher or lower then someone stacking up right in front of the stripe Illegal? Raptor's move seems very legal to me...
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Post by Burnout Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:50 pm

SCENARIO: If everyone gets off to a clean restart, and someone decides to pass, passing to the right IS legal as long as the leader of the race hits thestart/finish line at the restart FIRST. If somebody advances position before the leader hits the stripe, it is considered 'jumping position' and will be penalized. How do you play it safe? Maybe time your acceleration a little later. If it appears you have a large head of steam before the leader hits the line, its considered cheating.

Lets say its Lap 105, one lap before a restart. The restart would be Lap 106 when the leader hits the line. If somebody advances position when its still technically Lap 105, even when the field is accelerating, its a jump. Once the leader hits the line to start Lap 106, passing to the right is legal until all cars cross the line. Once all cars cross the finish line, you obviously can pass any way you want to.

Hope I cleared this up.
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Post by Raptor Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:03 am

That last restart was pretty shaky to me, things were jumbled up.
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